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6-9-23  met with Rick.   He says: healing today only by God through HS or direct to us, but not of ourselves or our direction.

 Isiah 53-54 debate what it meant when it said somewhere that a healing fulfilled the prophesy of isiah - I think it was after the bethsada incident - man by pool.  I say the word fulfilled does not not mean that it was never to happen again.  Rick said it did.  In other words the healing of that man fulfilled the prophesy and therefore no more healing could occur.  I do not agree and gave Rick an example that I fulfilled the appointment to have lunch.  That did not mean I could not have another lunch.  Rick was silent.

Rick still believes that we need to suffer quoting Job and Paul -thorn in sided which  could be eyesight or whatever.



Galatians 3:14;  He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Titus 3:4-7 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Ephesians 2:8-10;  8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

2 Timothy 1:9; 9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

Ephesians 1:4; just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,



Colossians 1:2-23;  And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister

John 51-22;  or the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,


Christ redeemed us from the law

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